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William Daniel's avatar

I'm unsure about your premise that the first millennium authorities you quote would have necessarily accepted the dogmas of Vatican 1, which was promulgated within a church that had clearly succumbed to heresy by accepting a non-canonical variation of the Nicaeano-Constantinopolitan creed in 11th century. Their arguments that 'the successors of St Peter' would always hold to pure orthodoxy had thereby obviously failed. If they had been confronted with the 11th century reversion of Rome under its German occupation, St Maximus, St Theodore, for example, would have been forced to reassess their thinking, as expressed above. Their logic about the position of the 'successors of St Peter' may therefore be rather contingent upon the record of Rome's faithful orthodoxy up until their time.

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Catherine's avatar

Luke 22,31-32. Jesus prayed for Peter so that his faith may not fail and Peter had to strengthen his brothers in the faith. This is supposed to be true until the end of time. How can we explain what's happening now with the Holy See ? Since Vatican II which contains the germs of heresy, developped by John-Paul II and increased by Francis, although never proclaimed ex cathedra, heresy is teached by the pope and by bishops and priests. If it is really impossible for the papacy to teach error, does it mean we can say Maranatha and our prayer be answered soon ? The catechism of the catholic church 675 : before the second coming of the Lord, religious imposture and apostasy of the Truth will come, 677 : the Church must follow her Lord in his death. Some of the flock is very worried by these shepherds. Can some fathers or other saints can help to enlighten us about the topic ?

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