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Vinnie's avatar

Thanks Ben. This, as well as Crean's book on Florence, both make compelling cases. However, my understanding is that Saint Mark of Ephesus was the legate of Alexandria and/or Antioch. Gill's book and Crean's book reference this. Doesn't him refusing to sign mean that the council didn't have the consent of at least Antioch and therefore, Florence doesn't fulfill the Orthodox requirement for all 5 patriarchs to subscribe?

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Thank for sir for this thoughtful reflection on a difficult and complex topic! Of course, as an Orthodox Christian, I would have to disagree that the Council of Florence is binding. After all, nearly every Bishop recanted their assent to the council upon returning home. Are we to say that we are bound to councils by fulfilling certain legal criteria, and that because signatures appear on paper, the Holy Spirit cannot reveal the untruths spoken at the council? The whole history of ecumenical councils is messy and complex and so coming up with a consistent juridical theory is very difficult. This is why reception theory is the only historically honest one. It's important to note that "reception" does not require the participation of the laity, only that local Patriarchates (the entire local jurisdiction, not merely the person of the Patriarch) receive the council consistently over time. Additionally, I would argue that the Roman Church changing it's mind on the Council of Constantinople of 879, choosing to favour the council of 869 instead hundreds of years later to justify the addition of the filioque, acts as a defeater for the RC papal theory. If either Church attempts to argue that councilliar authority is an entirely legal reality, instead of a dynamic mystical process, then we end up with the Protestant conclusion that there are no enduring infallible mechanisms in the Church.

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